On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:15 AM Daniel Wagner <wagi@monom.org> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:44:37AM -0500, KeithG wrote:
> I'm still struggling with this and have done a lot of poking at it and
> posting Denis off list as well. This is what I 'think' I have learned.

BTW, you should refrain from posting off list questions if it doesn't
contain any secret information (or you were asked to send it privately).
I don't know what you figured out with Denis' help. Open source includes
open discussion.

> 1) iwd as standalone or with systemd-networkd/dhcpch or with NetworkManager
> on x64 or on RPIs, all running arch linux, works great at version 1.9. If
> the SSID 'goes away' and 'comes back' the computer will reconnect. every
> time.
> 2) NetworkManager works well with iwd and as best I can tell, it will
> reconnect via its interaction with iwd.
> 3) When I run systemd-networkd/dhcpcd with iwd, it is more like it iwd
> running standalone as I can edit the /var/lib/iwd/ssid.psk either manually
> or through iwctl so that:
> [Settings]
> AutoConnect=true
> In this setup, the computer reconnects at boot *and* when the SSID goes
> away and comes back.

That means if iwd manages the reconnects all works well.

> 4) When connman manages iwd, though, I cannot edit the ssid.psk file and
> have it stick. Though it connects every time at boot, it will not reconnect
> if the ssid goes away and returns.

This is because ConnMan is taking over the job of managing the
connections and actively disables the AutoConnect in iwd.

> This is with the headless rpis with
> their broadcom cards and with a laptop runnning a full Arch Linux desktop
> with an intel wifi card. One other thing I notice is that when it has
> disconnected (SSID off then on), the 'connmanctl services' list is
> incomplete. It definitely does not show all the currently available ssids
> broadcasting.

Check what the monitor-iwd scripts shows and compare it with the output
from 'connmand -n -d plugins/iwd.c'

> If I type 'connmanctl scan wifi' it will complete a scan
> *and* reconnect.

Likely the SSID was not seen by ConnMan and that's why it doesn't do a
reconnect. The scan will retrigger the machinery. The output from
monitor-iwd is again a good starting point to see what is missing
between the communication between ConnMan and iwd.

> It is like connman gets stuck. and stops managing the wifi.

ConnMan is only reacting to events. If there is no event from iwd to
ConnMan nothing will happen. From your description I think there is
either a missing event or ConnMan ignores an event (would be a bit
surprising but well).

> I also note that if the ethernet cable is plugged in on the RPIs then the
> device is connected to the wifi ap then the ethernet cable is removed that
> all internet connectivity ceases.

Again ConnMan reacts to events. If the kernel doesn't send a netlink
message, nothing will happen. I would be surprised if ConnMan and the
the generic kernel code have a bug there. So I would look more closely
at what the driver is doing here first.

> Both interfaces go down and will not
> reconnect requiring a reboot. It is tough for me to really query this as I
> see it on my headless rpis and when the connectivity goes away, I have to
> reboot to get it back. It did not behave like this with netctl nor does it
> behave like this with systemd-networkd.

As far as I know, systemd-networkd uses also udev as input. Maybe this
makes the difference.

> Also, on the rpis, I have noticed that connman can get into a state where
> plugging in the ethernet cable results in nothing. connman will not bring
> up the ethernet interface.
> We have reworked a php interface from netctl tp work with connman for these
> little rpi audio devices and I would love for it to work, but if a headless
> device cannot reconnect when the ssid returns, it is a bit useless. Isn't
> connman supposed to do this?

ConnMan should be able to this modulo bugs.

> There are many things I like about connman but
> this seems like a basic function that seems to be broken and I am surprised
> that I find very little info on it on the internet.

I've tried your scenarios on my hardware and it works. Obviously,
different hardware/driver behave slightly differently and ConnMan might
choke on it.

So the question is why it works with systemd-networkd and not with

I cannot find the monitor-iwd script. I found the monitor-connman script, but when I try to run the monitor-connman script, I get a gobject error:

$ ./monitor-connman
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./monitor-connman", line 3, in <module>
    import gobject
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'gobject'

This is even though I believe that python-gobject is installed and I can run the hello.py script on this page:
python 3.8.5 and
$ pacman -Q | grep gobject
gobject-introspection 1.66.0-1
gobject-introspection-runtime 1.66.0-1
pygobject-devel 3.36.1-1
python-gobject 3.36.1-1

I am now running on a pretty common dell laptop with an intel wifi card and get the same behavior. iwd 1.9 connman 1.38. I connected via connman then powered down the radio on the router then back on then had to reconnect by typing in teh password.  The journal of this event is attached.

I did notice that in order to reconnect on this laptop (Arch Linux x86_64) that I had to type in the password again though I was just connected before I turned off the SSID. The journal running /usr/bin/connmand -n -d plugins/iwd.c:src/service.c though this event is attached.