I'm still trying to figure out why my laptop can idle at 12-13W or 20W with no differences in processes, and why powertop (even latest, 1.25) can provide very incorrect power values. One thing I do that likely few people do: killall -STOP chrome chromium firefox-bin xmms mplayer pidgin procmeter3 plugin-container That seems to work with power of course, but I think it later causes problem when I go to sleep (shut the lid) and come back later. Have others seen issues with this? It's happened for me for over a year, all the way to kernel 3.11 Could it also be generating the weird powertop behaviour I get and no one else does? Thanks, Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | PGP 1024R/763BE901