1:20 a.m.
Hello,
I am running Syncevolution under Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) Lucid. Today I had
the surprise to see that the latest update wanted to pull a great number
(58) of KDE packages, which are not even installed on my PC. The total
download is about 68Mb in size.
Here are the version numbers reported in the update manager:
(current) 1:1.2.2-2
(new) 1:1.2.99+20120228+SE+cb0b7f6+SYSYNC+5e0f652-2
I understand that Syncevolution now supports KDE (Akonadi, I believe),
but does a Ubuntu user really need all these packages? The latest
Syncevolution definitely wants them all, so I have delayed the update
for now.
TIA for advice - regards,
--
Daniel CLEMENT
1:28 a.m.
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 15:20 +0100, Daniel CLEMENT wrote:
Hello,
I am running Syncevolution under Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) Lucid. Today I had
the surprise to see that the latest update wanted to pull a great number
(58) of KDE packages, which are not even installed on my PC. The total
download is about 68Mb in size.
Here are the version numbers reported in the update manager:
(current) 1:1.2.2-2
(new) 1:1.2.99+20120228+SE+cb0b7f6+SYSYNC+5e0f652-2
I understand that Syncevolution now supports KDE (Akonadi, I believe),
but does a Ubuntu user really need all these packages? The latest
Syncevolution definitely wants them all, so I have delayed the update
for now.
You are pulling from the unstable repo - thanks for testing. If you want
to avoid that transition for a while, then replace "unstable" with
"stable".
I could (and mostl likely will) make the Akonadi dependency optional.
See
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.syncevolution/3389/focus=3466
I am not sure how much that would reduce the download size. How much of
a problem is this for you?
--
Best Regards, Patrick Ohly
The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although
I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way
represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak
on behalf of Intel on this matter.
1:56 a.m.
Am Freitag, den 02.03.2012, 15:28 +0100 schrieb Patrick Ohly:
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 15:20 +0100, Daniel CLEMENT wrote:
I could (and mostl likely will) make the Akonadi dependency optional.
See
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.syncevolution/3389/focus=3466
I am not sure how much that would reduce the download size. How much of
a problem is this for you?
I would also be uncomfortable with hard KDE dependencies. One thing is a
general scepticism against “polluting” the file system: Many GNOME users
don’t want KDE dependencies, even though this might technically be a
non-issue. A bit more severe is the question of download size, it will
simply make the installation of SyncEvolution, but also future OS
updates (those affecting the KDE libs) slower.
If splitting the relevant code into separate modules is too much work,
and if the lack of these dependencies can be handled at runtime, maybe
having them as Suggests instead of Depends is a solution? I think
current Ubuntu installs Recommends, but not Suggests. But in Software
Center, these packages are listed as “Extensions”.
Regards
Frederik
2:54 a.m.
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 15:56 +0100, Frederik Elwert wrote:
Am Freitag, den 02.03.2012, 15:28 +0100 schrieb Patrick Ohly:
> On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 15:20 +0100, Daniel CLEMENT wrote:
> I could (and mostl likely will) make the Akonadi dependency optional.
> See
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.syncevolution/3389/focus=3466
>
> I am not sure how much that would reduce the download size. How much of
> a problem is this for you?
I would also be uncomfortable with hard KDE dependencies. One thing is a
general scepticism against “polluting” the file system: Many GNOME users
don’t want KDE dependencies, even though this might technically be a
non-issue. A bit more severe is the question of download size, it will
simply make the installation of SyncEvolution, but also future OS
updates (those affecting the KDE libs) slower.
I was about to say that this will be only the case for packages
downloaded from syncevolution.org, which are not "proper" packages
anyway, only a service provided to users who don't want to wait for a
distro update.
But then it occurred to me that, if distros want to enable KDE support,
they'll have the same problem.
If splitting the relevant code into separate modules is too much
work,
and if the lack of these dependencies can be handled at runtime, maybe
having them as Suggests instead of Depends is a solution? I think
current Ubuntu installs Recommends, but not Suggests. But in Software
Center, these packages are listed as “Extensions”.
There's indeed no way around this. I'll see what I can do.
--
Best Regards, Patrick Ohly
The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although
I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way
represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak
on behalf of Intel on this matter.
4:47 a.m.
I wouldn't mind having some kde packages on my system - I probably
already have - provided they don't get updated too often.
If it allows KDE users to get the full benefit of Syncevolution, that's
fine.
Maybe KDE users have the same problem the other way around (pulling
Gnome dependencies)?
I'm afraid I can't help much about package building, but maybe a
separate syncevolution-kde would be a solution? (there are several
examples of packages, e.g. backintime, which have -gnome and -kde
versions).
Regards, Daniel
Le vendredi 02 mars 2012 à 16:54 +0100, Patrick Ohly a écrit :
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 15:56 +0100, Frederik Elwert wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 02.03.2012, 15:28 +0100 schrieb Patrick Ohly:
> > On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 15:20 +0100, Daniel CLEMENT wrote:
> > I could (and mostl likely will) make the Akonadi dependency optional.
> > See
> > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.syncevolution/3389/focus=3466
> >
> > I am not sure how much that would reduce the download size. How much of
> > a problem is this for you?
>
> I would also be uncomfortable with hard KDE dependencies. One thing is a
> general scepticism against “polluting” the file system: Many GNOME users
> don’t want KDE dependencies, even though this might technically be a
> non-issue. A bit more severe is the question of download size, it will
> simply make the installation of SyncEvolution, but also future OS
> updates (those affecting the KDE libs) slower.
I was about to say that this will be only the case for packages
downloaded from syncevolution.org, which are not "proper" packages
anyway, only a service provided to users who don't want to wait for a
distro update.
But then it occurred to me that, if distros want to enable KDE support,
they'll have the same problem.
> If splitting the relevant code into separate modules is too much work,
> and if the lack of these dependencies can be handled at runtime, maybe
> having them as Suggests instead of Depends is a solution? I think
> current Ubuntu installs Recommends, but not Suggests. But in Software
> Center, these packages are listed as “Extensions”.
There's indeed no way around this. I'll see what I can do.
--
Daniel CLEMENT
9:07 p.m.
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 18:47 +0100, Daniel CLEMENT wrote:
I wouldn't mind having some kde packages on my system - I
probably
already have - provided they don't get updated too often.
If it allows KDE users to get the full benefit of Syncevolution, that's
fine.
Maybe KDE users have the same problem the other way around (pulling
Gnome dependencies)?
I'm afraid I can't help much about package building, but maybe a
separate syncevolution-kde would be a solution? (there are several
examples of packages, e.g. backintime, which have -gnome and -kde
versions).
I've implemented that and pushed new "1.2.99+20120312" binaries into the
"unstable" apt repository:
* Platform-specific code is now in loadable modules.
* .deb packages consist of a "bundle" .deb (all files, no
dependencies on KDE or EDS) and dummy "kde" and
"evolution" .debs (depend on bundle, define dependencies).
The result is that installing the traditional "syncevolution-evolution"
will no longer pull in KDE.
I expect that distro's will do this properly (not even install the
platform extra files unless the user really wants them), but for me this
was the easiest way and ensures that all syncevolution.org installations
are identical. apt can handle dependencies, but downloading
multiple .rpm or .tar.gz files would be awkward and thus is avoided.
--
Best Regards, Patrick Ohly
The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although
I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way
represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak
on behalf of Intel on this matter.
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