11:39 a.m.
Hello,
the files
src/gtk-ui/sync.desktop.in
src/gtk-ui/sync-gtk.desktop.in
contain as comment "Up to date".
I fear this is not particularly appropriate...
Moreover, I would ensure that the words "Syncevolution", or at least
"Evolution", appear in "Name" or "Comment", since currently
if one has a
crowded applications menu it can be non-trivial to find it.
(by the way: under every other aspect, syncevolution is now really
great)
cheers
Pietro Battiston
2:28 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 02:39 -0700, Pietro Battiston wrote:
Hello,
the files
src/gtk-ui/sync.desktop.in
src/gtk-ui/sync-gtk.desktop.in
contain as comment "Up to date".
I fear this is not particularly appropriate...
It's what the MeeGo Netbook designers wanted to have for MeeGo. I agree
that this slight tongue-in-cheek style may not be appropriate for other
distros, but I'm not sure how to solve this.
Hmm, sync-gtk.desktop.in is the file installed outside of MeeGo. I
suppose we could modify that file without affecting MeeGo.
Moreover, I would ensure that the words "Syncevolution", or
at least
"Evolution", appear in "Name" or "Comment", since currently
if one has a
crowded applications menu it can be non-trivial to find it.
So what do you suggest?
[Desktop Entry]
_Name=SyncEvolution (GTK)
_Comment=Synchronize PIM data
(by the way: under every other aspect, syncevolution is now really
great)
Thanks :-)
--
Best Regards, Patrick Ohly
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4:20 p.m.
Il giorno mar, 07/09/2010 alle 14.28 +0200, Patrick Ohly ha scritto:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 02:39 -0700, Pietro Battiston wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the files
> src/gtk-ui/sync.desktop.in
> src/gtk-ui/sync-gtk.desktop.in
> contain as comment "Up to date".
>
> I fear this is not particularly appropriate...
It's what the MeeGo Netbook designers wanted to have for MeeGo. I agree
that this slight tongue-in-cheek style may not be appropriate for other
distros, but I'm not sure how to solve this.
Hmm, sync-gtk.desktop.in is the file installed outside of MeeGo. I
suppose we could modify that file without affecting MeeGo.
I honestly fail to understand what MeeGo designers had in mind... but
anyway, yes, I guess the one you suggest would be a good solution.
> Moreover, I would ensure that the words "Syncevolution", or at least
> "Evolution", appear in "Name" or "Comment", since
currently if one has a
> crowded applications menu it can be non-trivial to find it.
So what do you suggest?
[Desktop Entry]
_Name=SyncEvolution (GTK)
_Comment=Synchronize PIM data
Maybe without "(GTK)" - in the end, launchers are for graphic apps, and
the particular library used is not something the average user is
particularly interested in.
If you feel that there is need to avoid possible future ambiguity, maybe
"for Gnome" would be scrictly speaking less appropriate, but more
understandable.
By the way: now that syncevolution works also without any third-party
server, I guess the category "network" is not very appropriate, and I
would replace it with
"Utility;GTK"
or
"Office;PDA;GTK"
Pietro
5:42 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 07:20 -0700, Pietro Battiston wrote:
Il giorno mar, 07/09/2010 alle 14.28 +0200, Patrick Ohly ha scritto:
> On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 02:39 -0700, Pietro Battiston wrote:
> > Moreover, I would ensure that the words "Syncevolution", or at least
> > "Evolution", appear in "Name" or "Comment", since
currently if one has a
> > crowded applications menu it can be non-trivial to find it.
>
> So what do you suggest?
>
> [Desktop Entry]
> _Name=SyncEvolution (GTK)
> _Comment=Synchronize PIM data
Maybe without "(GTK)" - in the end, launchers are for graphic apps, and
the particular library used is not something the average user is
particularly interested in.
If you feel that there is need to avoid possible future ambiguity,
Yes, I think there is such a need (there might be KDE GUI soonish),
and ...
maybe
"for Gnome" would be scrictly speaking less appropriate, but more
understandable.
... yes, this is not quite correct. As long as KDE doesn't have a
"native" GUI, they'll use sync-ui.
Taking all of this into account I still think that "SyncEvolution (GTK)"
is the least evil of the alternatives.
By the way: now that syncevolution works also without any
third-party
server, I guess the category "network" is not very appropriate, and I
would replace it with
"Utility;GTK"
or
"Office;PDA;GTK"
I like "Office;PDA". Not sure about "GTK". I don't find it in
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html and which
toolkit it uses shouldn't be relevant for the menu.
--
Best Regards, Patrick Ohly
The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although
I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way
represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak
on behalf of Intel on this matter.
5:59 p.m.
Il giorno mar, 07/09/2010 alle 17.42 +0200, Patrick Ohly ha scritto:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 07:20 -0700, Pietro Battiston wrote:
> By the way: now that syncevolution works also without any third-party
> server, I guess the category "network" is not very appropriate, and I
> would replace it with
> "Utility;GTK"
> or
> "Office;PDA;GTK"
I like "Office;PDA". Not sure about "GTK". I don't find it in
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
ehm... I do...
and which
toolkit it uses shouldn't be relevant for the menu.
I admit I also fail to see clearly its role...
Pietro
10:04 a.m.
On 09/07/2010 06:42 PM, Patrick Ohly wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 07:20 -0700, Pietro Battiston wrote:
> Il giorno mar, 07/09/2010 alle 14.28 +0200, Patrick Ohly ha scritto:
>> On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 02:39 -0700, Pietro Battiston wrote:
>>> Moreover, I would ensure that the words "Syncevolution", or at
least
>>> "Evolution", appear in "Name" or "Comment",
since currently if one has a
>>> crowded applications menu it can be non-trivial to find it.
>>
>> So what do you suggest?
>>
>> [Desktop Entry]
>> _Name=SyncEvolution (GTK)
>> _Comment=Synchronize PIM data
>
> Maybe without "(GTK)" - in the end, launchers are for graphic apps, and
> the particular library used is not something the average user is
> particularly interested in.
>
> If you feel that there is need to avoid possible future ambiguity,
Yes, I think there is such a need (there might be KDE GUI soonish),
and ...
> maybe
> "for Gnome" would be scrictly speaking less appropriate, but more
> understandable.
... yes, this is not quite correct. As long as KDE doesn't have a
"native" GUI, they'll use sync-ui.
Taking all of this into account I still think that "SyncEvolution (GTK)"
is the least evil of the alternatives.
I agree with the basic idea -- the MeeGo texts aren't always very useful
for general desktop and Syncevolution should be mentioned.
I'm not sure I like adding " (GTK)" to the name: The proper solution
would probably be naming the UIs with proper names and mentioning
Syncevolution in the description/comment. Reasoning:
* Terms like GTK are IMO out of place in the menu of a generic
desktop: too much technical detail that is not useful for 99.9% of
people who will only have one UI in the menu anyway
* If there are several UIs they will almost certainly have feature
disparity and may have slightly different design goals (considering
the wide range of possibilities syncevolution gives)... Calling them
with the same name might give the wrong idea.
That said I don't have any smart ideas for a good name so your "least
evil" point stands: "SyncEvolution (GTK)" is certainly acceptable and
shouldn't be much work for translators.
> By the way: now that syncevolution works also without any
> third-party server, I guess the category "network" is not very
> appropriate, and I would replace it with
> "Utility;GTK"
> or
> "Office;PDA;GTK"
I like "Office;PDA". Not sure about "GTK". I don't find it in
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html and which
toolkit it uses shouldn't be relevant for the menu.
Pietro mentioned it's there in the list, but stuff outside the Main
categories is mostly not used anywhere (there are some exceptions like
*Game)... Can't hurt to add both "PDA" and "GTK" I guess.
"Office"
definitely sounds like the best choice for main category nowadays.
- Jussi
1:37 p.m.
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 09:04 +0100, Jussi Kukkonen wrote:
On 09/07/2010 06:42 PM, Patrick Ohly wrote:
[GTK too
technical]
That said I don't have any smart ideas for a good name so your
"least
evil" point stands: "SyncEvolution (GTK)" is certainly acceptable and
shouldn't be much work for translators.
I agree, but as I don't have a better idea I'll stick to "SyncEvolution
(GTK)".
>> By the way: now that syncevolution works also without any
>> third-party server, I guess the category "network" is not very
>> appropriate, and I would replace it with
>> "Utility;GTK"
>> or
>> "Office;PDA;GTK"
>
> I like "Office;PDA". Not sure about "GTK". I don't find it
in
> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html and which
> toolkit it uses shouldn't be relevant for the menu.
Pietro mentioned it's there in the list, but stuff outside the Main
categories is mostly not used anywhere (there are some exceptions like
*Game)... Can't hurt to add both "PDA" and "GTK" I guess.
"Office"
definitely sounds like the best choice for main category nowadays.
Right, I had missed GTK in the list. I'll go with Office;PDA;GTK
--
Best Regards, Patrick Ohly
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I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way
represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak
on behalf of Intel on this matter.
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